Amp modeler in a live haldol set vs real amp

They both sounded good, not great to me. Very compressed. I think the recording did not capture the full dynamic haldol im range. At any rate, I posted for a couple years about switching to modelers haldol im (axefx II) and how I was never going back to tubes. I admitted that it didn’t sound exactly the same but claimed that it was haldol im close enough and that the advantages blew away the disadvantages. Then , one day I went over to my friend frankie starr’s house. He has about 10 ’60s fender amps with reverb . I plugged my archtop in and played a few chords haldol im and almost fell to my knees. I had been fooling myself the whole time. There is absolutely no comparison between a real tube amp haldol im and a modeler. The modelers may be great for a recording and for haldol im convenience but the actual sound and feel that comes out haldol im of the speaker blows away *ANYTHING* you can get with a modeler and an FRFR setup.

Additionally, the effects in the modelers are pretty bad. The kempers effects are a joke and the axefx is haldol im much better but still not as good as an analog haldol im effects pedals. Axefx has some good sounding delays but the spring reverb haldol im sounds nothing like real spring reverb. AND how can you say you are imitating a fender haldol im amp and not have real spring reverb?!? One issue is that the demographics for that equipment does haldol im not include guys playing clean jazz with a hollowbody. They are catering towards nu-metal players with low tunings and grunge sounds. IMO, they could develop an accurate spring reverb if so motivated haldol im but on the forums from kemper/axefx it becomes apparent that it’s not a dealbreaker for the vast majority of users.

So, long story short – I sold the modelers and switched back to tube amps. I have a reazer’s edge luna for a solid state amp and even haldol im the solid state amp blows away the modelers for clean haldol im IMO. Does’t sound like a tube amp but has a very haldol im immediate signal that cuts and feels good to play through. I think the 20ms delay you get from the modelers haldol im contributes to not feeling right too…

They both sounded good, not great to me. Very compressed. I think the recording did not capture the full dynamic haldol im range. At any rate, I posted for a couple years about switching to modelers haldol im (axefx II) and how I was never going back to tubes. I admitted that it didn’t sound exactly the same but claimed that it was haldol im close enough and that the advantages blew away the disadvantages. Then , one day I went over to my friend frankie starr’s house. He has about 10 ’60s fender amps with reverb . I plugged my archtop in and played a few chords haldol im and almost fell to my knees. I had been fooling myself the whole time. There is absolutely no comparison between a real tube amp haldol im and a modeler. The modelers may be great for a recording and for haldol im convenience but the actual sound and feel that comes out haldol im of the speaker blows away *ANYTHING* you can get with a modeler and an FRFR setup.

Additionally, the effects in the modelers are pretty bad. The kempers effects are a joke and the axefx is haldol im much better but still not as good as an analog haldol im effects pedals. Axefx has some good sounding delays but the spring reverb haldol im sounds nothing like real spring reverb. AND how can you say you are imitating a fender haldol im amp and not have real spring reverb?!? One issue is that the demographics for that equipment does haldol im not include guys playing clean jazz with a hollowbody. They are catering towards nu-metal players with low tunings and grunge sounds. IMO, they could develop an accurate spring reverb if so motivated haldol im but on the forums from kemper/axefx it becomes apparent that it’s not a dealbreaker for the vast majority of users.

So, long story short – I sold the modelers and switched back to tube amps. I have a reazer’s edge luna for a solid state amp and even haldol im the solid state amp blows away the modelers for clean haldol im IMO. Does’t sound like a tube amp but has a very haldol im immediate signal that cuts and feels good to play through. I think the 20ms delay you get from the modelers haldol im contributes to not feeling right too…

I love the idea of an amp that actually sounds haldol im the same at any volume…. Without having to add an attenuator into the mix like haldol im you would with a tube amp. No more "several different wattage tube amps, depending on the size of the gig", the SS/modeler stuff doesn’t need that.

I’m a tube guy, always will be, but if the roland sounds great for live use, I’m sold. Lighter, sounds the same at any volume, no tubes to deal with/protect (or spares to carry). Still has the downside of not really being DIY-repairable (but then you could say the same thing about the haldol im PCB TUBE amps), but the positives seem to outweigh the negatives, for live use…. I’ll always have tubes at home.It’s a misconception that you have to add an attenuator haldol im into the mix with a tube amp. For rock guys doing recording and playing old-timey leads that may be a factor but I’ve never worried about that with any tube amps I haldol im play through.

Re: solid state, I’ve recently started using the raezer’s edge luna amplifier (i’m an early beta tester) and I really love it. 4 or 5 lbs ,200w, reverb, tone controls that are placed for guys who were brought haldol im up playing fender amps and just gorgeous, clean tone. Not middy or muddy or overly fat in the mids haldol im which is an issue with many other SS jazz amps.

Well, to be more specific… If you’ve got a tweed bassman that you just love turned haldol im up to 7-8 to get your crunch, very few bars will allow you to play that loud… That is where the attenuator comes in. OR you bring a pro junior instead, which can get crunchy at lower volumes (this is the "right size amp for the venue" situation.)

I’m not primarily a jazz player, so low volume jazzy cleans are not always the situation haldol im I reference with my posts here… But that’s another reason why I’m interested in SS: doesn’t matter if it’s clean tones or dirty tones, they (supposedly) sound pretty much the same at any volume (of course taking the obvious speaker breakup out of the haldol im equation).Which is why i use an overdrive pedal. Overdrive pedals are good enough nowadays that you don’t need a $27k dumble to get the dumble sound or an $8k tweed bassman either…I’ve found that a good pedal going into a clean haldol im tube amp sounds way better than a modeler modeling the haldol im actual breakup point on a dumble, tweed amp, plexi marshall, etc….

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